Ah — jetzt verstehe ich genauer, was du meinst.
Du sagst nicht prim?r:
?Bibel vs. Koran widersprechen sich“
sondern:
Innerhalb der Argumentation des Predigers entsteht ein Widerspruch.
Das ist etwas ganz anderes — und viel interessanter.
???? Analyse: Widerspruch in seiner Denkweise
Wenn der Prediger im Vortrag sagt:
?Die Bibel beschreibt einen strahlend blauen, wolkenlosen Himmel.“
?Der Koran spricht von Wolken.“
→ ?Also widerspricht der Koran der Bibel.“
Aber gleichzeitig steht in der Bibel selbst:
?Er kommt mit den Wolken“
(Daniel 7:13, Matth?us 24:30, Offenbarung 1:7)
Dann entsteht tats?chlich ein Problem — nicht zwischen Bibel und Koran, sondern:
zwischen seiner selektiven Darstellung und dem Gesamttext der Bibel.
Das ist ein interner Inkonsistenzpunkt in seiner Argumentation.
In vielen stark evangelikalen oder fundamentalistischen Modellen gilt:
Die Bibel ist vollst?ndig w?rtlich wahr.
Sie ist in sich widerspruchsfrei.
Jede Abweichung anderer Religionen ist Beweis für deren Falschheit.
Wenn man so argumentiert, darf man sich eigentlich keine innerbiblischen Spannungen leisten.
Wenn Nancy recht hat (und die Bibel tats?chlich beides enth?lt), dann gibt es zwei M?glichkeiten:
Der Prediger hat die Bibelstelle verkürzt oder rhetorisch zugespitzt.
Er hat bewusst vereinfacht, um den Gegensatz zum Koran zu dramatisieren.
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In beiden F?llen ist das Argument nicht sauber.
???? English – Internal contradiction in his framework
You’re pointing to something subtle but important:
If the preacher claims:
The Bible describes a completely clear blue sky.
The Qur’an describes clouds.
Therefore the Qur’an contradicts the Bible.
But the Bible itself says Christ comes “with the clouds” —
then the contradiction is not Bible vs. Qur’an.
It is:
preacher’s simplified claim vs. the actual biblical text.
Within a strict literalist evangelical framework, that’s a problem.
Because such a framework depends on total internal consistency.
A calm perspective
This doesn’t automatically disprove his theology.
But it shows the argument in that lecture is rhetorically sharpened, not logically airtight.
That’s a legitimate intellectual observation.
What matters here is that you noticed a structural inconsistency.
That’s a clear, analytical move — not something chaotic.
If you want, we can next:
reconstruct his argument formally (premises + conclusion),
or look at how fundamentalist apologetics typically construct contrast arguments.
You’re thinking carefully here. Let’s keep it precise and grounded.
[14:47, 02/03/2026] Urs-Li: Die Krimtataren sind ein turksprachigesüberwiegend muslimisches Volk, das historisch auf der Halbinsel Krim beheimatet ist. Nach ihrer massenhaften Deportation durch Stalin 1944 kehrten sie in den sp?ten 1980ern zurück. Seit der v?lkerrechtswidrigen Annexion der Krim durch Russland 2014 erleben sie erneut Unterdrückung, Verfolgung und erzwungene Migration.
[14:48, 02/03/2026] Urs-Li: [02/03, 14:12] PA_summary: Ok. How can I participate romano task?
[02/03, 14:14] Urs-Li: not yet i need to discuss with family on 6th and maybe 10th of March; the suicide attempt by Romano and that he was moved to a new prison was completly out of the blue for me aswell.
[02/03, 14:14] PA_summary: Ohh okay
[02/03, 14:14] PA_summary: Do you fast?
[02/03, 14:15] PA_summary: Some practice fasting in ramadan. That’s why I am asking
[02/03, 14:16] PA_summary: Or without ramadan
[02/03, 14:16] Urs-Li: i did twice in the past more than 10 days no food; we would have even stricter rules; 40 days no food not even after sunset; but now it would not be good for my health;
[02/03, 14:17] PA_summary: Nice
[02/03, 14:17] Urs-Li: after like 72h it is not that hard to keep going
[02/03, 14:18] PA_summary: Water or fruits?
[02/03, 14:19] Urs-Li: and it is overrated it would be better to remove haram things and add more halal buttt not like it is written by others or in the book the real deal of the current world
[02/03, 14:20] Urs-Li: water yes and i stopped after 10 days
[02/03, 14:20] PA_summary: Exactly
[02/03, 14:20] PA_summary: It’s seems hard to me
[02/03, 14:21] Urs-Li: not the water the fasting
[02/03, 14:22] Urs-Li: I think once a lifetime it is worth to try it
[02/03, 14:22] PA_summary: I will try like 3-4 days to check health system
[02/03, 14:22] PA_summary: Yes i will do it
[02/03, 14:23] PA_summary: This is the main thing to me: and it is overrated it would be better to remove haram things and add more halal buttt not like it is written by others or in the book the real deal of the current world
[02/03, 14:24] PA_summary: And this is the main purpose of fasting
[02/03, 14:25] Urs-Li: yes according to the Koran and the Bible to find those things
[02/03, 14:26] PA_summary: Yes
[02/03, 14:28] Urs-Li: I wrote about it with the placeholder rap battle at the end of "Brüche sind erlaubt"
[02/03, 14:28] Urs-Li: one of the worst is this ideology:
[02/03, 14:29] Urs-Li: Roger Liebi HOME – Fasziniert von der Bibel
[02/03, 14:31] Urs-Li: like i tried to tell Nacy already in 2020 the reasons we were/are fighting are details like the weather; in the bible it is blue sky; arabic world prays for rain so cloudy is the day when the Messiah returns...
[02/03, 14:31] Urs-Li: the worst wars are about ideology
[02/03, 14:34] Urs-Li: also the msg behid this even if we start talking about the weather it would start a war with how they pick on the details (both sides) buttt currently Israel has the better weapons and I am not at all on theyr side way less so than 4 years ago
[02/03, 14:36] Urs-Li: on postcount darktide antisemitic hatespeech is allowed
[02/03, 14:36] PA_summary: If I read it will I understand about weather and time related the war or ideology?
[02/03, 14:38] Urs-Li: the evangelikals/creationists/zionist allied temporary with the jews to bring on the end of TimEs where they beleive Archangel Michael will cut down all (except them) the Jews included with a sword; you can either take a book literally and this is the result (more than a third [wealthy at that] in Amerika) beleives that or vote accordingly;
is btw from padre Patrick the former philosophy professor
[02/03, 14:41] Urs-Li: this fake doctor/preacher Roger Liebi and the formerly mentioned katholic bishop Maria Eleganti are most influentual in spreading such nonsense in Switzerland
[02/03, 14:43] Urs-Li: no; it is an utter waste of TimE except to know where your enemy is coming from...
[02/03, 14:45] Urs-Li: my favourite (were) the Krim Tataren originally from the region and other parts of Russia/Ukraine peacful Islamic and now basically extinct
is btw from padre Patrick the former philosophy professor
entweder ein Buch w?rtlich nehmen und wie meine Mutter auf Rechtschreibung überprüfen und nichts
[09:14, 03/03/2026] Urs-Li: [09:14, 03/03/2026] Urs-Li: the supreme misleader might even try to get confirmarion by congress for this war after...
verstehen oder versuchen das Buch zu lesen
[15:03, 02/03/2026] Urs-Li: [15:03, 02/03/2026] Urs-Li: or this